In this episode of Climate Debrief, Angela Wheeler speaks with Ronald Stein, professional engineer and energy consultant, about the growing gap between climate goals and industrial reality. They examine COP30, renewable energy mandates, and the limits of wind and solar power. Stein explains the material dependence of modern society on fossil fuels and questions whether electric vehicles are truly zero-emission. The discussion also explores energy poverty, global supply chains, and the political forces shaping green policy.